Post Cap Randomness

[hkellick]

I'll be honest. I don't get it. I don't get the far-reaching outcry against bradfitz's attempt to keep things running semi-smoothly for LJ. I can see you being angry at the WAY it was delivered, out of seemingly nowhere and with no user input at all, but I have to think about things this way...
For free, you have the chance to write 3 (or MAYBE 4 or 5. Personally, I think it should be 5 so that you have an incremental step up) posts a day on a BIG Worldwide community that everyone can read. Bigger than chaoticmux, Bigger than anything most of us have, to this point, real deal with.
This, apparently, outrages people not because (at least with the people I watch), they USUALLY write more than 3 posts a day (There are some people like phinnia who probably do, but by and large, very few of us do write more than 3 posts a day. When we do, they tend to be things like surveys or just randomness to wile away the boredom)

Let me make it clear. I don't condone the way bradfitz did it. He never asked for suggestions. He never posted in news... "I think we need to make caps. What caps do YOU think are best?" It's one thing to be a part of something still, but another to throw your weight around and say "This is how it WILL BE. DOn't like it? Tough.'
On the other hand, once you get past presentation, I don't think the idea is bad.

I guess I put it in perspectives like this. NOTHING beats a real-time conversation. That's why I still hang out on places like kareila or xb95, who I just don't really SEE.
That's why, in reaction to xb95's post.. unless at least the MAJORITY of y'all came along.. I'd never leave. I've paid for my permanent account here. I'm set here. I've got my communitees, I've got my friends. Why SHOULD I leave?
Should you leave a MUX because you're unhappy about a decision that a wizard made, even though all your friends are there? In that case, I'd have left chaoticmux long ago and never looked back.

But since I don't even think ANYONE has the resources to keep a place as big as LJ up and running. (And I'm sorry, xb95... free users have their place in the grand lj scheme of things too. You may offer a small place that's faster for a select number of users.. but...If I confined my friends list to ONLY those people who were paid or permanent, it'd be a short list indeed. So I'm still losing out.)
I'll stay here, thanks.

Comments

[rhayden.livejournal.com]

Dunno lite... I haven't seen anybody, that I know of, get upset over the number of posts allowed to certain types of users. Most of the anger is the way the whole scheme was delivered and all the backlash that took place later on.

And I really don't think anybody is trying to make their anger known by disappearing into the void of the internet to start their own sites to dwindle away into LJ history. First off, that comes across as really, really harsh. Second, it's not a reaction of "You suck, I'm leaving". It's more "I think I can offer better services, who's interested?" Because lots of people are interested in better, faster, bigger.

No, I won't leave LJ either, not unless everybody else I know of here moves somewhere else. But I still think that there are some good ideas out there, and I'll offer my support if I can.

[lite.livejournal.com]

I have heard people getting upset about the number.
I can't defend the delivery of it. It was... sudden. Personally, I think it would have been good if bradfitz had opened a forum on how many people thought would be fair, explaining his reasoning behind why he felt there needed to be a cap on posts.

As for the rest.. I'll edit my post slightly..

[kalidor.livejournal.com]

I may not post a lot, but I comment a damn lot, and since people it seems its actually an "event" limit not a strict posting limit, yeah .. I mind.

[lite.livejournal.com]

My understand is that it's a POSTING limit, not an "Event" Limit.
You can only make 3 posts per day, but still infinite comments.
That's as I understand it.

Re:

[kalidor.livejournal.com]

But then people commenting on support questions wouldn't have been hit. But they were

[kalidor.livejournal.com]

But then the people commenting answers to support requests wouldn't have been hindered. And they were...

[lite.livejournal.com]

I'll go and ask xb95 what's going on...

[janinedog]

Not sure what you mean there. Was probably a glitch.

As the news post states, there's only going to be a limit to journal entries that you post (either to your own journal or to a community). Commenting limitations will probably come about later, but they aren't part of the plan yet.

[janinedog]

I think that posting limitations is a good idea. Brad even said that in the short time it was live, things were running much more smoothly. The fact that this occurred with him even telling rahaeli a.k.a. denisep, that's what annoys me (and most of the support team). She's the head of support, and since the support team is going to have to answer a billion angry users, we should know about this whole thing ahead of time so that we can plan for it accordingly (write up answers and stuff...and we wouldn't have to research it first, we could just go right on in and answer requests).

I don't really care that it was sprung on LiveJournal in general. I care that it was sprung on the people working and/or volunteering for LiveJournal. I also care that it was not fully researched before it went live. It would have been fine by me if everything worked perfectly the first time around, but it didn't, and that's because he didn't let people give him ideas. For example, the Abuse team posts a heckuvalot of entries to the abuse communities. So right now rahaeli (she's great, believe me) is compiling a list of communities (lj_* and support ones, mostly) that will be exempt from the limitations. And she's asking volunteers for help. That's the way it should be.

So this comment is a lot longer than it was supposed to be, but oh well. Oh, and I also wanted to say in there that I think 3 posts is too little for free users...it should be 5. And paid accounts should be exempt from it, especially since we paid before this limitation occurred, and we didn't agree to it when we paid. Or paid accounts should just get a really high number (like 50) and perms should have no limit. Something like that.

My opinions. Yeah. Oh! There's a new news post. Go read!